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The Hello Kitty Assault Rifle September 30, 2010

Filed under: gendered products — Jender @ 12:11 pm

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53 Responses to “The Hello Kitty Assault Rifle”

  1. Xena Says:

    This thing gives me a creepy clown feeling, probably for the reason the commenter on the original ad brought up: Kids will like this. I have to counter his/her objection, that they could “ban swimming pools on the same grounds” by pointing out that swimming pools have other purposes, like fun&fitness. Guns were invented for one reason and one reason only. Killing. I have no problem with a simple meat-gun, as long as the hunter’s not slaughtering wildlife for sport. But assault rifle spray usually renders a carcass inedible.

    Also: some of the photos make this instrument of torture look like a sexy fashion accessory for barely adult women. Like “yeah, got my ipad, my Gucci bag, my Manolos, my Hello Kitty and my Virginia Slims…Oops! Sorry Joe, shoulda worn the flats for multi-tasking…No worries…911′s SNAP for a girl this connected…Er, where’s the rest of your head…”

    This is a nasty thing. I hope any Americans who feel more “free” holding this oxymoron (ie cute slaughterer) at least have enough respect for life to keep it far away from the little ones.

    I’m curious about how other non-Americans feel about this. Does it get you all creepy-clown-skin-crawly too?

  2. TheMirage Says:

    Wow Xena, I don’t see a problem with people making something more appealing to themselves. People change the appearance of their cars, phones, etc just cause they want to be unique.

    As for the original design argument that doesn’t fly. Clubs and bladed items were made for killing as well but you see them now used as hammers, letter openers, and every day kitchen utensils.

    The assault rifle rendering a carcass inedible line, I now know you have never went hunting. That hello kitty rifle makes a smaller whole than 90% of traditional hunting rifles that make much bigger wholes. In fact, that rifle CALIBER isn’t allowed in many states because it doesn’t have enough power to put an animal down humanly.

    So I hope you felt “free” speaking on something you didn’t know anything about. I hope everyone, including yourself, has enough respect to teach everyone of ALL ages to respect firearms and be safe with them.

    As for other non-Americans I can find you many European and Australian people who wish they never gave up the rights to these firearms we have in the US today. There are many reports in those areas of homeowners being arrested for defending themselves with frying pans in their own homes during a home invasion. Doesn’t sound like the path I want to take here.

  3. Kathryn Says:

    Xena- I’m American and I find it creepy.

  4. Xena Says:

    @The Mirage:
    If you want to go back to the original design of clubs and blades, archaeologists have ample evidence that they were also used for digging, planting, breaking open plant husks, clearing long grasses, crushing seeds, etc. Though tool use among our ancestors appears to predate the discovery of fire by hundreds of millenia, one of the by-products of the stone flaking techniques used to create tools was fire. Though it would be a stretch, one could say that stone “clubs” were used to build hearthfires, too.

    And yes I feel freer than any potential killer that’s been rope-a-doped into spending money to protect a vicious circle of violence fuelled by greed fuelled by violence. A kitty with an assault rifle on an assault rifle to express one’s “uniqueness”? See comment #1, paragraph #2.

    Yep, I’m also proud to say I don’t know which guns shred which flesh in which way. Most of the meat that I eat can be killed humanely and efficiently with a hatchet, and I work hard for as close to a guarantee as possible that my food was treated humanely when it was alive. Just as I’m proud to say that I know nothing about guns, I’m proud to say that I have NO CLUE what it’s like to rape a woman or molest a child. And I comment on the inhumanity of those acts regularly.

    If a person uses a frying pan to defend him/herself and gets arrested for doing such a good job on the assailant, exactly how do you reckon s/he wishes for more firepower to do the job next time? Would this be the Go Big Or Go Home argument applied to earning a prison sentence?

    I don’t want to be so rude as to suggest that The World According To Americans might not be the one that’s actually happening outside of your borders (mostly because there are some VERY cool Americans who visit this site regularly–Kathryn’s one of them). I’ll accept a link, or a name of some reputable sources stating that many–we’ll say 40% of respondents or more– Europeans and Australians wish they never gave up the rights to gun ownership that Americans have.

    And the Europeans you quote have to be, like Canada, the US and Australia, at least 2 generations removed from any war fought within their borders. So some Eastern European countries won’t count.

    I’m also proud to say that I’ve lived, hitchhiked and been homeless in some of the most dangerous neighbourhoods in this country and only once felt that I needed more than my little hammer to defend myself. That time a taser would have sufficed, had I been able to afford one. The job the police did in serving the interests of justice in that situation nearly made up for the nasty experience. Police rarely have to draw their guns here, because so few criminals have guns.

    But at least we agree that if one must own such a nasty thing, education and safety are important. It’s a start, anyway.

  5. Seb Wiers Says:

    The problem I see with it is it looks like a toy, which could lead to tragic confusion involving police officers. There’s special regulations now on what toy guns can look like (so that they can be rapidly identified as toys) because cops some shot some kids, thinking they had real guns. Maybe there should be special regulations on what real guns (and nothing else) can look like, so that you know its a real gun!

  6. Monkey Says:

    Yes it gives me the creeps. Makes me think of child soldiers.

  7. Forajido83 Says:

    Xena, I respectfully disagree:

    First things first, there is no such thing as an “assault rifle spray” in the US. Automatic weapons are prohibited to everyone except military and law enforcement; civilians are limited to semi-automatic assault rifles which fire one shot at a time (civilian assault rifles are so-named in reference to their style and detachable magazine).

    In addition, someone with “no problem with a simple meat-gun” should recognize that gun owners have a duty to practice with that gun, and often, before choosing to take an animals life with it; practice helps ensure that hunting is conducted as accurate and humane as possible. It is my opinion that people storing guns in the homes should teach their children responsible gun ownership, use, and storage from an early age to prevent accidents and irresponsible handling; if hello kitty gets a child on the range and learning gun safety then I’m all for it.

    I recognize that not everyone was raised in the gun-culture or agrees with it’s existence, I only ask that they take the time to calmly consider the counterpoints as many gun owners do with them. Now Xena, who’s up for some Chakram hunting? ;)

  8. Xena Says:

    Forajido83 knows how to tug at a warrior princess’s chakram :-)

    I just believe that any act of violence demands that we use the minimum amount of force required to alleviate or prevent harm. And the harm, or potential harm must be nearly equal to or greater than that inflicted by the user of the weapon in question.

  9. bart21 Says:

    “I just believe that any act of violence demands that we use the minimum amount of force required to alleviate or prevent harm. And the harm, or potential harm must be nearly equal to or greater than that inflicted by the user of the weapon in question.”

    1… Spoken truly like a person who has never been in a fight for his/her life. When you are attacked or engaged in combat only two things should enter your mind: win at all costs or die; win decisively and quickly, or die. That minimal amount of force crap, written by law enforcement policy makers who have forgotten or never faced the probability of death (so they don’t get sued), does nothing to the mind of the attacker, only the defender, otherwise known as the victim.

    2. This weapon does not have automatic, or selective fire and therefore is not an assault rifle.

    3. So you can humanely behead foul or small game you refer to with a hatchet? What other meat that you eat can be humanely and efficiently killed with a hatchet? If you have seen this or done it yourself, then you know it is very brutal and less humane than a single clean shot with a .223 round… or are you talking about carrots?

    4. You wanted a link? It doesn’t speak to your 40%, but it speaks for itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec

    5. Do I think hello kitty semi-auto rifles are a good idea? No… solely because I don’t want some one to get hurt carrying one and have there be any confusion with law enforcement. But, it’s a free country, or supposed to be, and it’s always funny how the same people offended by pink rifles have nothing to say about some idiot burning the flag of their country or making a sculpture defaming a religious figure… well certain religious figures.

    6. I can guarantee you never hitchiked or been homeless in my neck of the woods. But come on down, and I’ll give you a tour and we’ll see if you’d be safe with your little hammer.

    7. Instrument or torture? Again spoken like one who has never been tortured. If you’re free enough to have time to surf the net and spout garbage you know nothing about, then that little .223 round is defending you now, liberated you or your parents, or has kept you safe in some fashion. You don’t have to embrace it… but that is a fact.

    I’ve wasted my breath… and I can, because I live free, because of some guy walking a point with your so called instrument of torture.

  10. Xena Says:

    Oh man, I asked for non-Americans, not Teabaggers.

    1) Yes I have had to fight. But our entire enculturation SANS gun-culture protects the peace without conditioning people to believe that they need to kill and die for it. The murder rate here is consistently around 10% of what it is in the US WITH adjustments made for our smaller population. And that’s BECAUSE of gun control. My fights have been to avoid injury, not death.

    2) Whatever that rifle has, it’s overkill. People who use it are paying more for features they’ll likely never use IF , as they claim, it’s to take down game that they intend to eat. It’s for killing or scaring people, and nothing else.

    3) I don’t eat red meat or pork, because it’s too difficult to turn those animals into edible meat without making them suffer. I eat poultry, and I’ve cut way back on my fish intake. I’m working on giving it up for social and environmental reasons. And yes, I eat a lot of carrots. I’m 38 and I look 26, or so I’m always being told. My diet’s healthy, and it shows.

    During the French Revolution, there was a reason the nobles got the guillotine and everybody else got the rack. Quickly severing the spinal cord eliminates the body’s pain receptors. It is the most pain free, trauma free way to die. But yes, it’s bloody and gruesome.

    4) Those Brits(?)&Scots are protesting a hunting ban, not a removal of their right to blow away burglars. Wanting to hunt for meat , like I said, is fine by me.

    5) I don’t give a rat’s ass about what people do to cloth and statues. They don’t feel pain. They aren’t part of a living ecosystem on which our survival as a species depends. If your comment is coming from a place of Islamophobia, we have less need for that up here, too. Omar Khadr (TRAITOR! INGRATE!) being one legitimate exception that I can think of, Muslims up here generally return the courtesy we extend to them. Quebeckers are, however, less courteous to foreigners. No Muslim, including the last creep that tried to feel me up, has ever filled me with murderous urges. I find that approach to dealing with people to be kinda sad. I’d rather shop in friendly ethnic shops and get good deals on my spices and produce, thank you.

    6) Maybe, maybe not. Where is your neck of the woods?

    7) Nope, I’ve never been tortured. The last time guns were used legitimately to defend my country was World War II. Afghanistan, Bosnia, Somalia and Rwanda are/were humanitarian actions that have nothing to do with “protecting” Canadians. Bosnia and Rwanda were disasters where TOO LITTLE force was used. The guys that got court martialled for their war crimes in Somalia were an embarassment. And I take what they say about Afghanistan with a grain of salt. I’m not convinced they’re fighting a just war over there.

    American occupation of Iraq and Viet Nam are/were driven by greed. Our scientists are still cleaning up the mess you people made with your Agent Orange, 3 generations later. And who’s paying for that? As sure as the 2-headed stillbirths in the basement of the Saigon hospital, it AIN’T the American taxpayers. The Soviets weren’t much more of a threat to us than the Muslims. And Kruschev’s people didn’t try to soak the Trudeau government on grain prices like the Carter Administration did.

    So much for “protection”. Your concluding comment smacks of Maoism.

    Here’s a thought experiment for you: If the next Republican psychopath that takes over your country decided to make good on Ann Coulter’s verbal diahrrea and invade Canada, how do you think the rest of the G-20 would respond?

  11. Xena Says:

    Pardon me, the Soviet leader during the 1979-1980 embargo was Brezhnev, not Krushchev.

  12. Xena Says:

    And more fact-checking on the way the US is “protecting” us from “invaders” has turned up yet another conflict where the US trained, armed and created the very enemy they’re fighting now. Afghanistan’s mujahideen. They’re all over wikipedia.

    Like I said, gun-culture is a vicious circle of violence fuelled by greed fuelled by violence. Screw the grain of salt. The war in Afghanistan is a big fat scam too. Except the commodity there is morphine, not oil.

  13. Xena Says:

    And the “you people” was directed at people like bart21, whose anti-communist/xenophobic, expansionist attitudes cause or defend the sort of environmental devastation that the Vietnamese, Iraqi and other civillians are suffering right now.

    Again, I was not referring to all Americans, or any of the respectful hunters who have commented thus far.

  14. extendedlp Says:

    suzy, i’ve had to remove your comment because it violates our policies. but please do feel free to read our policies and repost (since much of what you were saying wasn’t in violation, and was relevant to the conversation at hand).

  15. I thought it looked pretty cool. why cant people customize?

  16. AMTV Says:

    I am an Iraqi who still lives in Baghdad, I see children now playing with plastic “toys” that look pretty much like the one above. I guess that the person who created this Hello Kitty rifle got jealous and wanted to have a similar one. As if the real ones are not already enough to satisfy their gun passion.

  17. John Says:

    Xena you should do a little more firearms history research before you categorically claim “why guns were created”. Though the militantly anti-gun like yourself dismiss it as a smokescreen, competition shooting is as old as the smoothbore musket, and older than the rifle. Firearms may have been used in warfare but their history as a weapon of war is a splotchy one until the advent of the rifle. From about 1400 to about 1700 they were practically show-pieces in the realm of combat arms – nothing but fancy pieces of technology for officers to wear at their hips or strap to their chests for parades and hardly useful for killing anyone. It wasn’t until the Germans invented rifling that they even came into use a combat weapon.

    Now, what’s the point? Well part of the point is that not all firearms are created for the sole purpose of killing – and despite maniacally driven paranoid delusions from the far Left (and I consider myself a Lefty btw – I vote D and disagreed with the concept of one war and the execution of the other); there ARE reasons for keeping, owning, creating firearms that have nothing to do with some pseudo-prehistoric/colonial impulse to “eat, fuck, kill”. If you think guns and the perpetuation of gun culture in the United States does nothing but stem violence and violent gun crime – do yourself a favor and look at how gun sales rose 48% in 2009 and all violent crimes (including gun crime) were down by FBI statistics. I don’t have the link but the NRA made a huge deal of it so you won’t have trouble finding the info.

    Now specifically, there’s nothing wrong with THIS weapon because it’s hardly even different from a typical AR15. the only difference is somebody spray painted it pink and stuck some decals on it. FYI – there have been pink Glock pistols available for years because they’re more popular with female shooters – and I guarantee that somewhere, someone before this customized their AR-15 for their son or daughter in a way similar to this one without it being factory-made… and the world didn’t come to an end did it?

    A lot of anti-gun folks need to face the fact that 9, 10 and 11 year olds have been shooting their fathers/mothers’ guns for the last 200 years and we’ve been none the worse for wear for it. Gun criminals aren’t backwoodsmen who grew up skinning hogs at 8 and gutting deer at 10 — they’re tattoo’d out f***ups from broken homes and juvenile criminal careers in the cities. The folks who own these type of weapons pose no threat to you. The FBI continues to tabulate that gun crimes committed by “assault rifles” are in the <1.0% of total crimes.

  18. John Says:

    “But assault rifle spray usually renders a carcass inedible.”

    “assault rifle spray”??? “Spray as in ‘automatic fire’? You do realize this is not an automatic weapon, right? And that almost no “assault rifle” (AK-47/74 variant, AR-15, or other 5.56mm, 5.45mm or 7.62mm) “semiautomatic rifle” that you ever lay eyes on a civilian in this country owning, is ever going to be automatic, right? Because automatic weapons aren’t readily available to folks who don’t own federal class 3 firearms licenses and you know that or you wouldn’t be ranting about guns right? :)

    I live in the heartland and I’m here to tell you that PLENTY of people hunt with AR-15′s and other semiauto rifles. Just because it’s semi-auto doesn’t mean it “tears up the carcass”. Hunters know how to shoot, and plenty of them use a semiauto rifle (for instance on hogs) for semi-dangerous game that may charge but don’t have incredibly thick hide (the .223 round out of a sporter AR-15 isn’t big enough to be effective against an animal with a lot of hide or thick bone like a bear or an elk). It gives a hunter plenty of time to reacquire a target and fire a second time if a second shot is needed before the animal can turn and gore them if something went wrong on the first shot.

    AR15′s are also commonly used for hunting small prairie animals because they’re small, fast, and you need an accurate, small, low-recoil round that’s not going to blow them apart — “a deer rifle” just won’t do.

    “Deer guns” as you’re so fond of calling them – only have some uses in the hunting world and they’re not the only type of rifle anyone hunts with.

  19. Suzy Says:

    You removed my comment because it was against your policies? No you removed my comment because I made Xena look foolish.

    Whatever— your blog, you can censor what you want. For sure I won’t be back. :)

  20. Xena Says:

    So I’ve been told umpteen times, John. I still say the gun is an overdone bauble sold at a ridiculous price, when a much simpler cheaper tool would do the job, if that job is hunting for food. Supply driven industries are bad enough when the commodities in question are somewhat benign, like clothing or jewelery. But this thing is part of a global market fuelled by greed that accomplishes nothing but killing. Gun culture rope-a-dopes people into “tough guy” and “bitch” dichotomies based on who’s holding the overpriced phallic symbol. And more Americans EVERY YEAR than the number of casualties in BOTH WORLD WARS die because of this macho shit.

    WTF?!? do people need all the custom crap for if they just want their freakin dinner?!? The answer is, they don’t. They’re caught in a culture of dangerous commodity fettish worship with a body count.

    Or didn’t you read AMTV’s comment? I don’t even know how to respond to him, except to say that Monkey was right.

    Somehow, “I support Immigration Canada’s initiatives to take in your refugees” doesn’t even come close.

  21. Xena Says:

    Suzy Q, some of the top minds on this planet have come to this blog to tell me off, and they use words with more syllables than I have teeth in my head.

    By all means, argue with me. It’s not foolish to learn what the opposition will throw at me when I debate this stuff for real, in the classroom and in my essays.

  22. bart21 Says:

    Teabagger and Islamaphobe? Do you work for NBC? For future reference, Quoting Wikipedia will never make you look intelligent.

    “And more Americans EVERY YEAR than the number of casualties in BOTH WORLD WARS die because of this macho shit.” WOW! Let’s see, without looking at your esteemed source of the wiki gods, I’d round off to 90 million between both wars. So 90 million people in the US die every year because of guns. I’d love to find out where you got that, seeing as how the population is 300m and if we lose 90m every year, I’m gonna have a lot of fields to plow.

    I look at your comment to Suzy as telling of your situation. Debating in the classroom and in your essays are just that. Debating. One doesn’t need facts or experience to debate. One merely needs an opinion. And you know they say about opinions…. everybody has one and they all stink.

    And hmmmm. You’re probably not from NL of LBD… I’d guess Northern Ont? Now I know I can help you. See, the beautiful woman sitting across the room from me is from your latitude. Educated and an executive, she believed in most of what you write. This lead to horrible debates between us… on global warming, education, immigration, gun control, you name it. She had the same beliefs, non exposure to ALL media and real events. Moving from your latitude to an enclave of people from your latitude working in the same field did not help with her real world experience.

    Well, that was a few years ago. Living within 60 miles of the border with Mexico, having a child in school here, being exposed to opposing opinions and seeing first hand the need for security and preparation has completely changed many of her points of view. You see, she had to leave the bosom of protection to understand the protection. No matter what you think, you sleep under the protection of my blanket of freedom.

    As stated before, you don’t have to embrace it, its just a fact.

  23. yellooh Says:

    Though too havy for a kid, I have not seen anyone mention that this are things would would be appealing to many younger as a toy than a real gun. it is attractive this way and am sure it is not well decorated to be hidden away. My most concern is it takes away the fear of a weapon and making it appear more like a toy. Am sure this could be twisted to any way to sound for or against of however.
    This is just an opinion and no comment are needed on ths one ;)

  24. yellooh Says:

    Though too heavy for a kid, I have not seen anyone mention that this are things would be appealing to many younger as a toy than a real gun. it is attractive this way and am sure it is not well decorated to be hidden away. My most concern is it takes away the fear of a weapon and making it appear more like a toy. Am sure this could be twisted to any way to sound for or against of however.
    This is just an opinion and no comment are needed on this one ;)

    Had to correct it a bit(English is my fourth language so am working on it). Am from Kenya and am sure the worry is more for basic needs and not such luxuries let alone customized ones. Am sure gun owners are more informed and careful about handling this “toys” but mistakes do happen in it as a fact of life or mistaken identity as in the weapon.

  25. John Says:

    “So I’ve been told umpteen times, John. I still say the gun is an overdone bauble sold at a ridiculous price, when a much simpler cheaper tool would do the job, if that job is hunting for food. Supply driven industries are bad enough when the commodities in question are somewhat benign, like clothing or jewelery. But this thing is part of a global market fuelled by greed that accomplishes nothing but killing. Gun culture rope-a-dopes people into “tough guy” and “bitch” dichotomies based on who’s holding the overpriced phallic symbol. And more Americans EVERY YEAR than the number of casualties in BOTH WORLD WARS die because of this macho shit.

    WTF?!? do people need all the custom crap for if they just want their freakin dinner?!? The answer is, they don’t. They’re caught in a culture of dangerous commodity fettish worship with a body count.”

    The wonderful thing about the United States is that it’s never been our operating philosophy to TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED. Who are you to tell someone they don’t get a customized weapon because they don’t need it? Who cares what you think they need – legislation has never been written (and should never BE written) based on what any one, never mind 535) “think” you need. That’s the beauty of it because after all, someone might decide you don’t “need” something you just plain want and you are just as naturally entitled to.

    Being “customized” doesn’t make this weapon any more dangerous than it already was – doesn’t make it any more dangerous than a stripped down AR15 — so who cares if it’s f’ing pink?

    This AR is probably $900-$1200 and you can only get it with a background check in a gun-friendly state; a frigging Act of God in a state like Mass. and no way in hell in California or NY – so don’t try to tell me that some 8 yr old girl is going to see it in her daddy’s Guns and Ammo and go buy it on the internet.

    The radical anti-gun community typically hands the common sense moderates the ammunition for their own demise in the form of complete and utter factual ignorance about the subject matter.

  26. John Says:

    Anyone who thinks that painting an AR-15 pink and putting Hello Kitty decals on it makes it seem less dangerous – has never actually fired one. There’s no way in hell that anyone could ever hold this weapon and fire it and be in any way under an illusion that’s innocuous somehow.

  27. John Says:

    And I quote:

    The firearms that are covered by the so-called “assault weapons” laws are semi-automatic handguns, rifles and shotguns. Some of these firearms are made to look like a military-style weapon but are mechanically indistinguishable from the traditional-looking deer rifle.

    http://gunowners.org/fs9403.htm

  28. extendedlp Says:

    john: just to point out: i don’t think the worry is that they’d look more dangerous to people who’ve fired them before. it’s exactly, i take it, irresponsible gun-ignorant people who, one worries, would be tempted into thinking it’s just a bit of hello kitty fun. (note: i mean people who are both irresponsible and gun ignorant. not implying that gun ignorance is irresponsible. nothing wrong with being gun-ignorant if you’re not planning to fire one.)

    everyone: please can i just remind you all that we have what amounts to a ‘be nice’ policy. so, make all the points you want, but don’t make it personal. direct your attacks at the ideas, not at the people voicing them. otherwise i’ll have to remove your comments.

  29. Xena Says:

    That was AMERICAN casualties, John. As in roughly 60 000. And the source was my ethics textbook from 2003, not wiki. I can source it, but you’ll have to give me a week to dig it out of storage. Those numbers are pretty consistent year to year.

    Our murder rate is roughly 600-700.

    I’ll get back to the rest of this tomorrow when I’m not up to my eyeballs in American Studies lectures.

  30. Xena Says:

    elp: I hope I’m not being rude. I’m sure you’ll let me know if I am, as the administrators on this site have often done for me.

    The other commenters haven’t offended me yet. Trying to prove that my arguments are based on ignorance is legitimate in my view. They haven’t succeeded yet, but I don’t knock them for trying. They’re just expressing the standard American frankness that gets them kicked out of bars in some parts of the world. Canadians know when the trash talking is REALLY personal. John and bart21 are doing ok for a couple of libertarians who have been subjected to 4 days of “some foreigner blowin smoke” about their 2nd Amendment rights ;-)

  31. Xena Says:

    bart21, I think I have an idea where you are now. FYI I’ve hitchiked through Houston and San Antonio too. I was the 3rd Canadian in a big dumb hat and also the 3rd and last customer to visit Gilley’s that day :-)

  32. Xena Says:

    Dingit, I must be getting tired. That was Austin, not Houston.

  33. Xena Says:

    Shit, that WAS Houston/Pasadena. That was the pre-fire Gilley’s in the late ’80′s. I knew I couldn’t have gone to sleep in Austin and woke up in Gilley’sland ala Sheryl Crow. Gilley’s in Dallas wasn’t opened until after I had my kids.

    Texas was the opposite surprise to the one I got in Pennsylvania. I half expected to get beat down and sold to some burro show when I was down there, but the Texans I met were absolutely charming, despite that unfortunate attachment most of them had to their iron.

    You fact checkers are making me neurotic now. I’m going to bed.
    ttfn

  34. nate Says:

    Xena,

    Not sure where you’re from, but a nice part about America is the concept of individual freedoms. I am a gun owner, I am responsible and well-trained with my gun, I love my gun and I feel safer at home with my gun.

    I am not a psycho or a mass murderer, and I truly hope that I never have to shoot somebody, but if someone were to break into my house (has happened before) and threaten my life (hasn’t happened yet, hope it never does), it leaves me no choice but to preserve my own life.

    That said, there are plenty of things out there that other people like to do that I find creepy, but I respect their individual right to do because it doesn’t infringe on my rights. Similarly, I hope others can respect my individual rights, because I am not infringing on other people’s rights by owning a gun and taking it to the range to practice shooting.

    And if it changes the image of gun ownership for you, I am minority, urban, college-educated from a very liberal American university in California. I just happen to want to be able to protect my life if it were in danger, as anyone would be.

  35. nate Says:

    Oh and I live in a city with a lot of gay people. And I know that there are gay people who have been persecuted, who feel the need for personal protection provided by guns.

    Guns don’t have to kill, they can protect just by existing with the right people and the right training.

  36. yellooh Says:

    Thank you for this. I learn a lot. It is great that many non lethal means are being improved. I would hope tasers and the likes would be improved to be able to be used multiple times.
    I tend to be self reliant and have other means coz guns can jam too and if that’s your only option, you would be paralyzed with fear and act worse than anyone without a gun in the first place.
    I know and understand that things happen. I know the probability is slim compared to allot other things in life. If you do not expect anything to happen, a high chance it will not. If you spend much time planning on hot to react and act when it does, chances of it happening increase and don’t ask me why.
    If I have a concealed weapon, chances are I would use it. I have owned many guns before when all I had to worry about was me. I have a family now and know the chances of a gun around the house with my kids and friends is more dangerous than what happens due to crime.
    Anyway I am just pointing my opinions here and I respect the fact that my wife and her family are terrified of guns and have had bad experiences. In Kenya where am from(now in Florida) on the other hand is a different case and not one to point here. Thank you and let ma learn more.

  37. Xena Says:

    I’m Canadian, Nate.

    Thanks for stopping by, yellooh. I enjoyed the debate too. If and when I need to arm myself, I’ll be buying a taser, not a gun. Have fun in Florida. It’s a beautiful place.

  38. yellooh Says:

    Thank you Xena and everyone else. Such guns coupled with armor piercing or Teflon coated slugs for maximum damage need I say more?, Gangs and other vigilant groups do posses full automatics. Am sure they do not call them assult weapons because they lack a better word . I count my blessings and should I say that what we beleive could protect us much more than any weapon does or could?.
    Where I live now too I have no need for such force. Some guns have a high chance of maiming than killing.
    It is a fact that many behind the gun are a victim to it including those who get constant training like law enforcers than the ones on the opposite side or intended to protect from not to mention those cought in the crossfire.
    My kids are not allowed to have even toy guns and I explain allot of reasons why. A time will come to teach them the practical part but I will not choose for them what thier views should be by my own choices. Maybe they can have a Pitbull or Doberman instead if they need protection that much.
    From reading on the debates and more so in congress, I figure it’s a ‘religion’ and could vary just as much with individuals. There is much to be desired just as otherwise. There is so much to learn from biographys and may I say “dynamite!” LOL, see Alfred Nobel.
    Anyway thank you once more, can’t wait to read more. Peace & Good times.

  39. Xena Says:

    elp? Why’d you delete the comment where I apologized for addressing my response about 60 000 American WWII casualties to John when it was bart21 that I needed to respond to?

    Why did you delete my statement about how dressing up a gun like that is akin to dressing an executioner in ruffles and bows and a powdered wig? I was actually reaching for Foucault with that one.

    Most of all, why did you delete the comments that verified the legitimacy of my sources with reference to the war in Afghanistan, and how American insiders, including those within the Carter Administration and going all the way back to the Cold War created the very “enemies” the Americans tell us we need “protection” from now?

    There was not one comment in there that amounted to name-calling or any other type of abuse. I was even careful not to get too close to identifying my place of residence for the sake of somebody else’s privacy.

    Is it suddenly against your policies to call Jimmy Carter’s Nobel Prize nomination into question or something?

    Or was it the very last statement? (which your editing tools can remove on its own without deleting 200 words of text)
    That one was in response to Bart21′s comment about how “opinions [are like ***holes--in the common use of the expression] and they all stink.”

    How is referring to MY OWN OPINION, spoofing bart21′s words, as a “stinky ***hole opinion”, and pointing out that opinions as he defined them are not allowed at my school a violation of your policies? How is pointing out that I must, according to my school’s rules, and therefore do, back up my wiki sources with another source a violation of your policies?

  40. Xena Says:

    Peace, yellooh

  41. ACC Says:

    This got so far off topic from the simple photo. Its a commentary about current gun laws in California especially. The designer of the rifle is a true artist and does custom guns as a business. The irony is clearly on display as well.

    Guns have been banned simply because of visual similarities to “assault” rifles. Manufacturers have made rifles of different colors and shapes to look different than what the government expects from a rifle. Regardless of the fact that the weapons function exactly the same.

    Guns have been a part of killing animals and people for many years. This is nothing to hide from. Its the most efficient way to kill animals and people….if you need to. I have no qualms about that. And every since then people have had competitions based on accuracy and mastery of a weapon. This is true with the sword and the bow as well. Its nothing to be shy about, people like weapons….people like shooting for practice and for fun. Some people just like to hear something go “pop”. As long as its safe and legal….who cares.

    Xena : I am glad that there are a few canadians that don’t exactly think like you. I grew up close to Windsor and maybe the canadians in that area “get it” rather then where you might reside. But your leftist anti-gun leaning and almost (and sadly) stereotypical in American eyes.

    The typical problem is that you are ill educated on the subject you talk so much about. Your view would be more respectful if you had some basic knowledge of weapons. Thats like a man off the street trying to educated you about pregnancy when he is neither a father or doctor.

    Further more, you try to interject your sensibilities on other people without education on the matter. You quickly determine that guns are expensive and there are “better methods for the job”. But almost every police agency has proven you wrong by adopting side arms to combat crime.

    While there are true gun nuts out in the word. I don’t find anything wrong with someone privately seeking training. Leftist usually like to believe that the police are better trained than the average gun owner. But if that gun owner gets training and a nice weapon, you consider it “Gun culture rope-a-dope”.

    No doubt, we are a country that loves gadgets. And guns are no different. But no matter what you slap on your weapon…only one thing does the killing and thats the bullet. A fancy scope never jumped off a rifle and killed anything.

  42. Xena Says:

    Like I’ve said umpteen times, I don’t need to know how to rape, kill or molest children to comment about how vile these acts are, or to side with lawmakers and lobbyists who know how to limit the conditions under which these crimes increase. For the same reasons painkillers are strictly regulated, I agree with the type of gun control we have here, because it works. And like I’ve said umpteen times, I don’t have a problem with informed people who use guns or morphine in an emergency. But, like I’ve also said umpteen times, dressing them up in such a manner brings guns into the realm of recreation. Just like recreational morphine use, recreational gun use causes harm to more individuals than just the user. Making them look cute and fun advertises to the lowest common denominator.

    But I’m sick of saying “quit poisoning the planet with your murderous tough guy culture” and being countered with “it’s a free country, I’ll do what I want.”

    So I’ll exercise the freedom I have in my country and continue to support the politicians and lobbyists that refuse to back your petty oil wars, and the people that make it more difficult for your guns to cross our border. I enjoy living in a peaceful place where guns aren’t required, thank you.

  43. ACC Says:

    Ever hear of a body farm? Police wanted to gain knowledge about how people decompose in order to become better detectives and catch killers. So, they bury cadavers in a wooded area and in abandoned cars to learn.

    In order to have an intelligent logical conversation, even about the things you don’t enjoy….you need to learn about them. I understand you like to be sensational, but unlike rape and murder….guns are legal…..at least in my country.

    Comparing firearms to narcotics abuse is about the most irrational argument i could imagine. You instantly associate guns with abusive or vile behavior. Recreational usage of firearms is an american tradition, hunting….competitive shooting and military usage are all intertwined. You can’t really separate them, they have influenced each other so deeply that you would be doing an injustice.

    Like i have said, you missed the irony with the creation of the pink rifle because you don’t really understand gun owners….because your not one. Gun makers have no need to advertise to “children” because children can not buy rifles.

    I really would like to understand why women with feminist ideology act allergic to masculinity. When men like something or gravitate to something there are usually principles involved outside of what you would like to believe.

    Firearms are a celebration of skill and craftsmanship. And on the side of war fighting and personal protection, proficiency in firearms usage is seen the same way a samurai was skilled with his blade. Almost the way a woman might be skilled at trades women hold in high regard.

    To oversimplify it, makes it seem as if your threatened by it

  44. Xena Says:

    Damn straight I’m threatened by the thought of having to live within a culture where I’d always have to be ready to shoot or be shot. If guns are strictly regulated, then fewer creeps and psychos can get a hold of them, like cars or farm equipment or painkillers or any other tool that requires skill to use responsibly.

    Unlike martial arts training, which requires years of gruelling training, anybody, myself included, can learn in a very short time to maim and kill with a firearm. I suppose, if a war were ever fought in this country again, I’d have to do as the Neo-Romans do, and shoot or be shot.

    But there’s no need for that right here and now. And creating a demand for violence where none exists already is a nasty way to corner a market. That’s what most Americans don’t understand about us. Fighting’s too much like work for most of us. It’s too cold up here for that stuff. We’d rather enjoy our beer and our fireplaces, and leave the elements to do the ugly stuff outside our cozy homes.

    Our men deal with their need to craft their violent urges into a skill by playing hockey. Now THAT is one of the finest of masculine arts. I appreciate a hot American, Swedish, or Russian hockey player as much as I appreciate our own. I appreciate female hockey players just as much.

  45. AMTV Says:

    After reading all this, I couldn’t help think how ironic it is that most Americans in the number one free country in the world need to keep fire arms to make them feel safer and more masculine inside their own houses and country.
    If that’s the case, It’s not the weapon that is dangerous after all, it’s the person using it. Maybe everyone needs one of those hello kitty rifles for the sense of security it provides after all…

  46. ACC Says:

    You could be harmed in any country or anytime. Criminals always have access to illegal items….hence why they are criminals. Laws only apply to those willing to follow them. As of now, to legally own a pistol….you need a squeaky clean record and keep it that way. Every country that bans weapons sees a spike in crime.

    As a person with a marital arts background, i can tell you….you don’t need any training to be stupid and brawl. Anyone can throw a punch and possibly kill someone, most of the time when that person gets knocked down and there head hits the floor.

    Your average police office probably fires his weapon, in practice, just a few times a year. If they can do that and be seen as “experts”. It won’t be that much harder to train others interested.

    You might live in fantasy Canada. But i seem to remember a man cutting off the head of a sleeping young man on a bus trip. Terrified passengers could only contain him in the bus until police arrived. A gun owner might have saved the mans life.

    Also, a Canadian sniper holds the record for longest kill with a rifle in Afghanistan in an operation with American troops….using american ammo.

    So i really don’t know where you get your info

  47. ACC Says:

    AMTV : The american legacy is an armed revolt against our father nation. It is by the rifle we gained our independence.

    But for the most part shooting is fun and a test of skill

  48. Xena Says:

    Like I said, ACC, it’s the LACK of a tough guy culture that keeps us safe. That Greyhound passenger was our equivalent of a Seung-Hui Cho. He had mental problems. If we lived by American gun rules, respectful gun owners would not have been allowed to bring their guns on a Greyhound trip anyway. Nobody on the bus would have had a gun EXCEPT the psychopath. As it was, he was deluded enough to use his knife, blow by blow, to take the other passenger’s head right off. If he’d had a gun? Most of the people on the bus could have died that night. If some lone vigilante had chosen to “save the day”? I’m seeing a scene from a Tarantino movie. As in WAY too much collateral damage.

    Getting killed in a bar brawl with a professional martial artist? They have to register with the police once they get past a certain level up here. I think it’s brown belt in karate, red in tae kwon do, etc. How many martial artists do you know who have such crappy manners that they would train themselves to kill somebody with one punch, and then go up to the first woman they see in a bar to try out their new skill anyway? I’m assuming YOUR manners are NOT that crappy. I would certainly hope not, anyway.

    The average Canadian police officer (except those working in our 10 largest cities) fires his/her gun only a few times in his/her ENTIRE 30-40 year career.

    I said our gun laws work. Our murder rate is much lower than yours is, consistently between 10% and 20% of the American murder rate over the last 30 years, even with adjustments for our smaller population.

    I get some of my info from CBC and City tv news broadcasts, some from wiki, some from the Hansard Index, our parliamentary site, some from classes, and some from textbooks. Much of my info on safety in Canada comes from firsthand knowledge gleaned from living here. Would you like me to start using APA documentation guidelines?

    I never denied the existence of skilled snipers in our military. I said the war in Afghanistan is a scam, orchestrated by and for Americans to further the interests of gun and poppy peddlers. Your comment just reiterated that for me, “row on row”. (Yeah, I’ll give Major John McCrae a respectful nod for the poem I just hijacked for the new millenium.)

    We have a saying up here: “Hate the war, love the warriors.” The difference between that and “Teabag the dems before they teabag you”, speaks volumes about each nation’s place on the world stage. Our independence was accomplished with a pen. And many of us still prefer the sort of alliances that are forged over a shared pot of Twinings to anything that comes out the barrel of a gun.

  49. Synaesthetik Says:

    I think there are a lot of interesting points made on both sides of this argument, both by non-gunners and gunners alike…As much as you think you have a “right” to own a gun (which I believe is a PRIVILEGE, and not to be taken lightly), I think I have a RIGHT to want to live in a safe, sane world where I don’t need a gun. It seems to me that most of the “I have to have a gun because someone else might use one to kill me” arguments are based in fear and xenophobia.

    Maybe if we melted down some of those guns and built community centres where people can go and MEET some strangers, we’d stop thinking they’re out to get us.

    I also want to know why it is that ACC thinks

    1) Feminist = Anti – Boy
    2) Masculine = Violent

    Craftsmanship aside, I think a “real man” is one who takes responsibility, and does so with compassion…This doesn’t require a gun at all. In fact, quite the opposite. If someone needs a contest, why does it have to be destructive? And all celebration of killing is a celebration of a lack of compassion. That’s the real reason I can’t get behind guns.

    As for Hello Kitty…Sorry, as much as I don’t like guns, I thought it was kind of cute. Inappropriate, but cute…It certainly got this list talking up a storm, and maybe that was the owner’s intent, in customizing it. Or maybe she just likes Hello Kitty…Sometimes a Phallus (I mean cigar) is just a Phallus (or gun…or whatever).

  50. ACC Says:

    “Like I said, ACC, it’s the LACK of a tough guy culture that keeps us safe.”

    Why are you obsessed with your deluded perception of men? Unlike what feminist think, we don’t walk around wanting to live out action movie sequences. Talk to any veteran police officer of solider that has seen combat. You won’t find this hollywood machismo you seem to believe in.

    “That Greyhound passenger was our equivalent of a Seung-Hui Cho. He had mental problems. If we lived by American gun rules, respectful gun owners would not have been allowed to bring their guns on a Greyhound trip anyway. Nobody on the bus would have had a gun EXCEPT the psychopath.”

    You perfectly point out to problem with gun control

    As it was, he was deluded enough to use his knife, blow by blow, to take the other passenger’s head right off. If he’d had a gun? Most of the people on the bus could have died that night. If some lone vigilante had chosen to “save the day”? I’m seeing a scene from a Tarantino movie. As in WAY too much collateral damage.

    And if he would have had a bomb it would have been even wrose. Whats really the point? He had a knife and i am sure someone wished he would have been shot before he finished carving this man up.

    Defending your life or others is not vigilantism. Your not taking any laws into your own hands. Your exercising a natural instinct to protect yourself and others. I don’t know of any cases in which CCW holders have caused significant damage to people around them while defending themselves.

    The only instance in which i know of is a man who decided to kill his wife on the steps of a Texas court house. The man shot and wounded several police officers as they came to defend the courthouse. It was a CCW instructor who left his apartment and fired on the suspect from behind. Sadly he did not realize the man had on a bullet proof vest, the gun man turned around and shot and killed the instructor after a brief gun battle. It was credited to this action, others lived. He distracted the gunman and was the first person to actually shoot the man, soon after he fled the scene.

    “Getting killed in a bar brawl with a professional martial artist? They have to register with the police once they get past a certain level up here. I think it’s brown belt in karate, red in tae kwon do, etc. How many martial artists do you know who have such crappy manners that they would train themselves to kill somebody with one punch, and then go up to the first woman they see in a bar to try out their new skill anyway? I’m assuming YOUR manners are NOT that crappy. I would certainly hope not, anyway.”

    World famous Bass player / Musician Jaco Pastorius was killed exactly in this manner. He picked a fight with a martial artist who accidentally killed him.

    But my point was, you don’t need to be trained in order to strike someone in a way that could kill them

    “The average Canadian police officer (except those working in our 10 largest cities) fires his/her gun only a few times in his/her ENTIRE 30-40 year career.”

    Same way for cops in the united states, most never see a gun fight. My point earlier was that to qualify during testing, police only need to show accuracy twice a year. Your average gun owner shoots 10x that much by accident. So there is no premises that a ccw holder is inherently less skilled at shooting vs a cop.

    Comparing crime rates is not realistically fool proof. Crime overall is actually about the same since crime rates have dipped alot in the US…without any stricter gun control.

    Regardless, there is no proof that guns cause people to be more violent. But obviously if you have more guns then they are used more often.

    Say what you will, point being is Canadians hate being in the American shadow. They seem to have some problem with that. So, you hate the war…..but you fight in it with us (as you should). You can create all the back stories you want for the war….but it really does not mean much

  51. ACC Says:

    “I also want to know why it is that ACC thinks

    1) Feminist = Anti – Boy
    2) Masculine = Violent”

    I don’t…..

    1. Feminist = Stereotypes of men
    2. Masculinity = Things women don’t try to really understand, just dismiss.

    “Craftsmanship aside, I think a “real man” is one who takes responsibility, and does so with compassion…This doesn’t require a gun at all. In fact, quite the opposite. If someone needs a contest, why does it have to be destructive? And all celebration of killing is a celebration of a lack of compassion. That’s the real reason I can’t get behind guns.”

    I think thats exactly my point. A woman has no authority to decide what a “real man” is or should be. Men don’t need your approval to enjoy what we want to enjoy.

    Anything can be used for good and evil. More people are killed by cars than guns….so would we stop all forms of auto sport due to its “destructive nature” ? So why would we consider it for guns.

    You speak of compassion? What is more compassionate that the willingness to protect the life of a stranger? I think that is simply a male trait. You almost never hear stories of women sacrificing there lives to protect anyone other than maybe there kids

    (not being sexist)

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