11 thoughts on “Presidents who cry (and the public who love them)

  1. Only one problem: many of these other Presidents were crying because of someone else’s pain or what has happened to someone else. The picture of GWB that she includes in her post was taken, I believe, at an event to honor the victimes of 9/11.

    Whether the tears were real or not, the reason for Mrs. Clinton’s tears was drastically different than the tears of many previous Presidents.

    She played the gender card. It touched the hearts of women and she won in New Hampshire. It was a stroke of political genius.

  2. Jason, wasn’t the first President Bush’s tears over the bad name his son is giving the family? I would have though there’s every bit as much reason to think it was self-oriented as there is for thinking that of HC’s tearing up.

  3. I say again, “have you actually seen it?” Clinton is choked up at the horrendous mess Bush has made– very much about the pain of others. And, if you read Majikthise (you don’t even need to click on the links), you’ll see that Washington was crying at his inauguration, as did JFK. Not exactly about the pain of others (unless there’s something we don’t know!) I shall now resume my previous non-confrontational manner. Everybody have a nice day.

  4. As per the Paul Krugman quote

    “I think this thing does call for some serious psychological analysis, not of the candidate — who looked and sounded like a normal person — but of the pundits who have turned Hillary into the object of their obsession.”

    Really the media seems to me to have sunk to greater depths of shallowness during this campaign… Like they have a plan to fit each candidate to a steriotypical story come hell or high-water.

  5. One thing that strikes me is just how much more acceptable it is now than it was 40 or 30 or even 15 years ago for men to cry openly, in public. Aside from sports stars and political figures, consider how much men cry on tv shows–especially “reality” shows, where, presumably, the individuals are not professional actors and therefore the tears may even be genuine.
    Some people used to say, when trying to discern the gendered disadvantages purportedly experienced by men, that “men are not allowed to cry”. Ironic, isn’t it, that this little gender taboo has dissolved, whereas comparable ones for women have not?

  6. I think your taking it a little to far.

    There is, in general, a taboo against men crying – unless the USA is radically different from the rest of the world (Although that is not equal to all the issues faced by women).

    I suggest when something harms you and the person you are talking to, you don’t need to prove it hurts you more than the him for it to be a bad thing and for the work to begin on solving the problem.

    Of course, I am assuming the person raises the issue as honest debate. Maybe the hidden assumption here is that they are being completely dishonest and its no so much a debate as a fight.

  7. Introvertica is definitely not picking a fight, and I don’t see why you’d think that they were. Moreover, you’re both saying reasonable things. GNZ, it’s certainly true that there’s still, in general, a taboo about men crying. But Introvertica’s right to point out a lot of contexts in which this has lifted. And it’s very interesting to note that it’s now *more* acceptable for male politicians to cry than for female politicians to do so. I hadn’t noticed the way that this inverts the usual presumption.

  8. Oh, I mean the person talking to Introvertica (Int. may have someone in mind) might be picking a fight/arguing dishonestly. I know you can easily find yourself in a debate where the defenders of the status quo just throw up random arguments in order to distract you.

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