12 thoughts on “The Trouble With Working Women

  1. also, btw, they offer up a new metaphor (just for jender): the glass labyrinth.

  2. hey elp – thanks for the alert. really enjoyed watching and looking forward to the next episode. I hope lots of other people watch too. Really depressing in parts, but great that those questions are being asked.

  3. It will be better to pay atention, because in my opinion this program-video has an hidden agenda, not so hidden at all: to mantain women in the private sphere as much as possible.
    – the return to domestic affaires.
    The sacralizing of motherwood is too old and it will be better to be suspicious of.

  4. stoat, glad you liked it. ns, thanks for the link! adilia, can you say more about this? i’m not sure i understand what the worry is.

  5. extendedlp
    I am not very good in english, you see it is not my first language so it will be dificult to expresse my ideas. But every time I see people so much interested in motherwood and forgetting always fatherwood I feell someone is trying to make a pass on me. Already in XVIII century a philosopher so notable like Rousseau did the same and in the next e pretendeed woman had no need for serious education and must be at men s service. In seeing the video and most of the people they interview it was like reading ” Backlash” of Susan Faludi. She explain very well all this matter and if you want you may read this book.

  6. When I try to watch the video, it says I can’t because I’m not in the UK. Is there another way to watch it? Thanks.

  7. emkas, very sorry, i should’ve said: it’s only available in the uk. my apologies for posting an overseas-unfriendly video. but i couldn’t resist posting it for uk readers.

    adilia, i completely agree that they leave out this very important bit. when the surgeon is asked whether women not being surgeons (because the hours are very long; it’s hard to have a homelife) is ‘a lifestyle choice for women’ and he says ‘yes’, i want to scream. how many women are actually *choosing* to be primary caregivers? even those who would choose it aren’t in fact choosing it, because choice implies having the power to choose otherwise. we so badly need to start asking questions about what and why *fathers* are choosing. yes yes, i agree with you. but i don’t think the filmmakers have an agenda as you say. in the second part of the series, in fact, they spend the day with a family where dad is a stay-at-home dad, and mum is primary caregiver. they seem to be working towards properly pinpointing the issue. at least, it seems like they could do. fingers crossed!

  8. I had to write to the BBC after having watched this programme to voice the distress and frustration it evoked in me. All I heard was the same normative bullshit that women hear everyday, why did the BBC give a platform to these people? How dare that sexist male presenter ask if the glass ceiling still exists AFTER hearing the statistics about female segregation, low pay and pregnancy related redundancy?

    Any why was the social contribution of childbearing not considered? If women didn’t give birth to bouncing baby boys then there would be no men to perpetuate capitalism. It came across that women who don’t take work seriously have children, when really sexual differences have been exploited in order to opress women.

    UGH. I won’t be watching the next part, I’ll probably kill myself.

  9. I’m not able to see the program either, but it is possible for non-UK residents to view the BBC iplayer. What you need is a UK IP address, and there are companies that provide them. You end up using a UK internet provider. As the companies point out, there are other advantages to have a UK IP address, principally ones of confidentiality. E.g., if you want to be an anonymous whistle blower, one could be very handy.

    I’m wondering from what is said whether the program looks at the fact that jobs are often constructed to suit what is perceived as men’s lives. E.g, no time for parenting.

    The fact that jobs are often constructed to suit someone who has a supportive background spouse who isn’t working is the topic of a lot of discussion around getting more women into science.

  10. jj, thanks for the info about ip addresses. i wonder is it difficult to do. and yes, i think the thrust of the series is that, basically, the working world is designed for people with no carer responsibilities, and at present, women are saddled with most carer responsibilities. or that’s what they seem to be working up to. in the second part, the female presenter ends by stating that the primary issue, to her mind, is childbearing and how sex roles related to it play into one’s chances for success in the workforce.

    kirsty, i take the series to be a sort of ‘women’s issues, 101’. i suspect that the male presenter is purposely made to ask asinine questions so that the interviewees have a prompt for clearly and thoughtfully answering the sort of ill-informed questions that someone in the mainstream might have. and i think this seems like a very important thing to do. many people–one might guess, especially men–*are* that ignorant of the issues and *will* have those questions to ask. and it’s good if they get good answers to them. having the male presenter set them up is a non-preachy, caveman-friendly way to get the information across.

  11. Hi, Kirsty, I fully agree with you. what has not been said is that the world work was for centuries a male one, and men made the rules and even now they don t bother alter them. The only way in my opinion for women is to stay and to fight for places of real power in economy and surtout in politics. At the same time, women with families must oblige men to partake responsabilities so they will learn how dificult it is to work and raise children and they will think hard in changing the rules, and the capitalism syistem has to change otherwise we will see if he can survive. I was upset with the video because this question was totally unfocused and it was the old mantra of motherwod bla bla bla…

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